This is a Crock

I got some terrible news on Monday.  Not terrible as in someone’s going to die or anything, but terrible all the same. 

You see, I went to go visit my academic advisor Monday afternoon – the man who has advised me on which classes to take for the past year now.    Now, I don’t flatter myself that he actually knows and remembers me every time, because for all of the students in the School of Education (program for future teachers), there are only two advisors – one for elementary education majors, and one for secondary.  You have to schedule appointments at least a month in advance, and even then it’s likely that you’ll be waiting in the office for at least thirty minutes after your scheduled appointment.  It’s always a madhouse in that office.

I knew from my own advising sheet (which is kind of a checklist of classes) that I had about a year and a half left before I’d get my degree.  That had me set to graduate in the summer of 2011 (which, I might add, is a whole year later than the estimate the same adivsor gave me when I was transferring and trying to choose my major), and even though it still seemed like a long way away, I had a date, something to look forward to.  I went into the meeting expecting him to reiterate that I would, indeed, graduate in 2011 and let me know what order my last handful of classes should be (some are only offered in spring, some only in fall).

He started to look at my file, and looked worried.  “This isn’t good,” I thought.  And it wasn’t.  He drew up two possible paths I could take.  One involved taking 15 or more credit hours in the spring (which would be difficult, but not impossible), needing special permission from the dean of the education department to take two methods courses simultaneously, taking and passing the PRAXIS I exam before spring semester starts, and finishing and turning in a student teaching packet.  All of these things I would gladly do.  The second path had me finishing up the remaining English/Lit classes (of which there are 5) and one math class next semester, then completing all of the methods classes over the next four semesters, which would mean 2 semesters where there were only 2 classes I needed (because some are only offered in spring, some in fall).  It would also mean a whole other goddamned year of school.

I was shaken, but decided I was just going to suck it up, get the shit taken care of and get the hell out as fast as I could.  The first step was calling the dean to set up an appointment.  He wasn’t in his office, so I left a message, then called to schedule my PRAXIS exam.  I was on hold for close to 20 minutes, but got my appointment for the first of December, and would get my results three or four weeks before the start of the spring semester.  On the right track.  I didn’t hear from the dean, so went to his office three times yesterday, each time he wasn’t there.  He finally called me yesterday evening at about 5 and frankly, was a complete ass.  When I told him what my advisor had said and told me to ask, he treated me like an idiot because I didn’t know which methods class was what by the number.  Uh…ok.  Then, he told me he wouldn’t give me permission to take the two classes together because “it wasn’t done that way” and that I should have known that from my advising sheet.  Uh…what?  My ADVISOR told me to ask you these questions, you big jerk! 

So, with that, my hopes were dashed.  I won’t be graduating until 2012.  I will be in school a whole extra year because one man wouldn’t give one student an exception to take two classes together.  Can you believe that a whole year depended on TWO classes?  ARGGGGGGGGGGGH!

Fucking school.  I am so frustrated and defeated right now.  I came in to this university with over 70 credits already, and by the time I’m done, will have gone full-time for 3 and a half years.  I want it to be over, I want to be able to leave this place with my boys.  A whole other year, spinning my wheels.

16 Responses to “This is a Crock”


  1. 1 The Dish November 4, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Dude, Ginger. That sucks so bad. I feel your pain and know that my empathy does nothing to make it suck any less. I am so sorry.

  2. 2 Dee November 4, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    If you are using any financial aid BE CAREFUL about not carrying enough hours. You could disqualify yourself by only taking one class. Request an actual face-to-face meeting with this Dean. Make sure to have all of the information in front of you so he can just sign off on it. The less work he has to do, the more likely you will get what you want.

    Good luck!

  3. 3 Evil Twin's Wife November 4, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Oh, honey. I’m so sorry! It took me 5 years to get a 4 year degree and I even took a few summer classes. Are summer classes an option for you to speed up the process? No matter what, I KNOW you can do this!

  4. 4 vinomom November 4, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Ginger do NOT leave it at that. There is always a way. Request a face to face, badger him, go over his head, find examples of other people who HAVE done it that way! Most people budge from their high horse once you become a big enough pain in their ass!

    Promise you’ll give it another try before you committ to another whole year! Go tell the counselor what the Dean said and ask him why he told you to go that route if it wasn’t possible? Ask him if he knows if that exception has ever been made! Just don’t resign yourself to this is the way it has to be.

  5. 5 mumma boo November 4, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    I’m with Dee and Vinomom – don’t let it go. Tell your advisor what the dean said and request a face-to-face meeting with the dean and the advisor present. Just because “it’s not done this way”, doesn’t mean it can’t be done that way. You’ve come too far to let one uptight academic stand in your way. Go for it. You can do it!

  6. 6 Ron November 5, 2009 at 3:39 am

    {HUGS} Sorry things are sounding down. I agree that you shouldn’t give up so easily, it doesn’t hurt to be a pain in the ass, I mean really you are the customer (student, whatever). I would request it again via an official letter summarizing your reasons and reiterating that your adviser recommended this option to you (maybe even with a letter from your adviser). Some people will only listen to an argument in writing and be swayed. Try to get a follow up interview to review the document and argue your case further once they have gotten up to speed. If nothing else you can be a pain in their ass for that extra year :-)

  7. 7 Sarcastic Bastard November 5, 2009 at 11:12 am

    I am so sorry to hear this.

    Sending love,

    SB

  8. 8 BigLittleWolf November 5, 2009 at 11:14 am

    I’m with Dee and Vinomom, too. Take a breath. Have a Bloody Mary, say FUCK three times while spinning and sprinkling reindeer sparkle dust. Consider a magic potion (even though Halloween has passed). And try another (creative) option. DON’T GIVE UP. We’re rooting for you.

  9. 9 dadshouse November 5, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Oh, that sucks. You’d think the dean asnd the advisor would be on the same page. Maybe they don’t like each other? I saw a ton of backstabbing between professors when I was in graduate school. Maybe talk to a secretary – they often know what really goes on, and how to work through the loopholes.

  10. 10 Aunt Becky November 5, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Fucking shit, man. That sucks ass. I hate that bullshit.

  11. 11 Karen November 5, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    That stinks! I took the Praxis II a few years ago. I actually 6 of them. LOL. I am highly qualified to be a teacher of Biology, General Science or Earth Science in NY and NJ.

    They are not very hard if you get the prep books and study.

  12. 12 Ms. Moon November 5, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Yes. Do not give up. Where there’s a will….

  13. 13 Jimmy November 6, 2009 at 1:10 am

    was his name Dean C-nt Waffle? I wish university people would realize that paying tuition entitles students to be treated in a professional manner. I mean yu get better service at target’s when you spend $10 than spending $10,000 at a university.

  14. 14 amy d November 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    God! Reading this post brought me back to all my years in college and meeting with my advisor, who despite his title, did very little advising!

    I used to get so frustrated because departments would send me places where, just like you, the person wasn’t there and I had to make multiple phone calls to get things handled. It’s no wonder so many people drop out!

    Hang in there honey. It’s complete bullshit but in the end you’ll have that diploma and THAT’S all that matters!

  15. 15 lola November 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Yep, put it in writing, copy the advisor, get a meeting, and get your way somehow! Rules are meant to be broken or at least bent, and this sounds like a bit of bending could be done.

    Do not give up!!!!

  16. 16 Ginger Magnolia November 9, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Dish – It does mean something, though. Thank you.

    Dee – I do use financial aid, and would take BS classes if I needed to to make full time status.

    ETW – I have been taking summer classes, but in this case, it wouldn’t make a difference. The reason it will take another year is because the classes I need are only offered in one semester or the other (spring or fall) and it’s like I’m a semester behind where I need to be, unless I can get the special permission.

    Vino – Almost a week and still trying to get a hold of the advisor, but not giving up yet.

    Mumma Boo – Still trying.

    Ron – Hahaha yeah!

    SB – Thanks, Doll.

    BLW – Is that the divine mantra? I like it.

    Dad – I have a call in to both, and am going to discuss it with a professor of mine who is pretty knowledgable about the school of ed.

    Becky – It IS bullshit, and it’s wasting time and money.

    Karen – The only part of the first exam I was worried about was math, but not even worried about that anymore.

    Ms. Moon – I hope that applies to academics. :)

    Amy – It’s completely frustrating, but either way, I know I’ll work through it and have a degree at SOME point.

    Lola – Not giving up yet.


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